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Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by Will

Will — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:08:33 +0000

btw, what would happen if you *did* watch a soap opera with these new TVs? Would the images cancel each other out?

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by Jason

Jason — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:13:55 +0000

I searched on “soap opera look hd” and to my surprise stumbled upon this post. I just saw The Hulk (newest version) at Sam’s running on the new Samsung. At first I thought it was a “behind the scenes” look into how they made the film, specifically the scene where Ed Norton lays down on the table for his buddy to inject him with something. When I realized it was the actual movie, I was like WTF?? this is all wrong!

so i came home and did a search and can see this is a universal problem. This thread started over a year and a half ago and the industry hasn’t caught on.. odd

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by idizzle

idizzle — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:28:39 +0000

Yes I totall agree. I’m an account executive for a computer component wholesaler and I also wholesale LCD HDTVs. So I’m around this stuff every single day and I look at these “electronics” far differently than a regular consumer. But the other day I had one of the LG LCD HDTV 120hz,1080p Tvs out and it had Gladiator playing on bluray and yes it does look fake. Its so crisp and clear that it looks fake. Totally ruins the “cinema” experience. It looked as if I was really there watching actors act, not watching gladiators battle. Looked like I was watching Russel Crowe act out a roll instead of watching characters in a story. Its a weird experience. My TV at home and is a 47″ 1080p 60hz TV and everything looks great. In my opinion, the flaws of the older technology are not a bad thing, they keep movies cinema like as if you’re observing others peoples lives in a story. When you watch them in 1080p, 120hz it gets so life like that its fake and feels as if you’re watching a play of some sort in an auditorium.

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by LG 55 120 owner

LG 55 120 owner — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:56:24 +0000

Just got a new 55″ LG 1080P 120hertz bad boy to replace my 50″ Samsung 1080i DLP piece of crap (Only 4 years old, bulb went out 2 times, color wheel 1 time, paid $2400 back in the day).

Anyway, just like everyone one else got the soap opera / bad porn look on my ATT Uverse high def / Blue Ray movies.

Man, so lucky to find this blog. Went to the 120hertz and true motion settings and turned them off.

Got the picture looking way better. Best thing to do is tweak all your color settings until you find one that looks clean yet elliminates the PBS look. I’m pretty sure it’s the 120 hertz setting that does it. I also turned the black down and contrast.

Good luck..

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by Chris

Chris — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:56:40 +0000

Just stumbled upon this blog. Highly agree with those that the processing the TV manufacturers have added on to 120hz sets has absolutely killed the way movies “should” look. You saw the movie in the theaters being run at 24fps. Your eyes know better. I played with the settings for a good hour on Sony, Samsung, and LG brands. I had my brother with me and he agreed with me on all points that it makes it extremely fake looking

Simple answer – turn OFF any “motion” setting when watching regular tv (non-sports) and for movies. Turn it ON when watching sports and for video games. Now THAT is where it is incredible. The only reason why I would buy a 120hz set – live HD sports. Mmmm….

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by Andrew

Andrew — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:24:49 +0000

I know what you mean. I describe the experience of watching a movie in HD 120hz, as opposed to 60hz, like that of watching a home movie. The motion is smooth, almost too smooth. And you become distinctly aware of the cameras movements in relation to the the scene being shot. Comparing it to watching a soap opera is also a good analogy. It’s just strange. Many of my friends who do not have HD TVs and come over to watch something on my HD 120hz make similar comments.

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by M. L. McKenzie

M. L. McKenzie — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:10:01 +0000

Samsung LNB750 HDTV
Compared to the 22 year old RCA 27″ CRT it replaced, of course it is better. With the cable plugged in the picture is great. It took several days to learn the convention of the menu, but once learned and the contrast and colors adjusted for the room it is in, the picture is clear and easy on the eyes. In fact, the picture is so good the way it is, I do not plan to call the cable company to upgrade to HDTV for another bundle of dollars.

The B750 has many, many options and things I will never use, but the 150,000:1 contrast ratio was more important to me, which the B750 has over the A650. The $[...] Samsung instant rebate put me over the fence to buy now during the tough economic times. The TV’s speakers are not very good, and they lack bass. I use an outboard amplifier with big Pioneer CS-911’s with six speakers including a 15″ speaker in each box.

This is probably not the technical review you expect, but even after two years of HDTV homework, I find I know very little about the subject. I just like the picture improvement I am getting on a fairly large screen.

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by DG

DG — Sun, 24 May 2009 05:55:20 +0000

Oh and I have seen Transformers and Pirates in Theaters, It didn’t look that way

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by DG

DG — Sun, 24 May 2009 05:52:48 +0000

I like HD. I own both HD DVD and Blu-ray. I have a Toshiba 50″ 1080p 120hz tv and an Old 37″ Westinghouse 1080i. I have seen transformers and Pirates of the Caribbean in stores. Although is looks really clear I didn’t like it, it looked like crap. Motion seems off and looks like hand held camera. Both My TV’s are calibrated and My Blu-ray HD DVD are set-up for 24hz and all the special features on my 1080p tv are off. I can say that it looks a lot better than at the stores. But, I like how HD DVD and Blu-ray look on my 1080i TV. The colors are not saturated and look more like film due to the low contrast ratio. Blacks and whites look solid with HDMI cables. even though its 1080i, every movie looks like 1080p because of the TV size.

Plasma tv : I agree with you. plasma TVs are better quality than LCD. No argument there. I want one but I am afraid of burn in issues but i heard they are better at that now. When I saw 1080p HD DVD on a plasma 2 years ago. I was blown away. But CRT has better picture quality than plasma but are too big and I think they became obsolete before 1080p came out.

I honestly think that everything everybody on here says is bullshit and invalid, including what I say. Almost everything here is opinion and not fact.

Again, I love HD

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by Dustin

Dustin — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:45:41 +0000

I just bought a Sony V series Bravia 52″ LCD 1080 120hz. I experienced this fake looking phenomenon when watching spiderman on HBO through my dish network provider. It looked horrible…until I turned it to Cinema mode. In Vivid mode I could tell what was real and what was a green screen. Once I switched the mode i was exposed to the best picture I have ever witnessed. Just my 2 cents. Thanks

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by plasma tv

plasma tv — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:20:16 +0000

Your problem is the TV is lcd. Go watch bluray on a plasma, the picture q is 100 times crisper and looks unbeleivable than lcd. Any true videoaphile will chose plasma over lcd. I paid 1100 for a 50″ panny plasma that blows away any sharp or sony lcd.

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by Green Tea Guy

Green Tea Guy — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 12:39:36 +0000

I noticed the same thing, when I hooked up my mom-in-laws Blu-ray. At 1080P + 120Hz : King Kong looked like poop. When you saw the shots of the ape in the jungle, it was ok, but then when you saw the actors in action: it was like some high school paid actors to put on a show for parents. Don’t get me wrong, I like my x-box 360 at 1080P + 120Hz = sweetness factor x3. Then again, that is apples to oranges, in a fish barrel. I have a Samsung 40′ that has just 60Hz & thankfully, I’ve had no problems with a bad picture. I just think when I go to buy a new TV for my Blu-Ray: I will have to make sure I can turn the 120Hz off !!!

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by Afro_Samurai

Afro_Samurai — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:07:55 +0000

Wow… I am chiming in extremely late but I would like to state that it looks fake because it is fake. Its not real. It is actually people on a set with fabricated stones and fake wood. Its computer drafts on a blue/green screen with actors pretending like they are really there. It is a soap opera. Technology just caught up with hollywoods little trick but eventually your brain will make it all ok again. You’ll get used to the fake sets and the CGI animal/monster/backgrounds and the story will help convince your brain that your eyes are lying to you and the thought of a huge tital wave or giant robots invading the planet will seem completely believable again… or you could just turn of the 120hz feature in the TV.

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by sucitta

sucitta — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:26:14 +0000

When you turn on motion flow, it use’s the 120hz tech. But yes, its the motion flow setting that is causeing this effect, and can be turned off on every tv that sells with the option.

so settle down people, settle down.

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by Michael

Michael — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:25:23 +0000

People, you are confusing two different things. it is not the 120hz refresh rate that is causing the problem. it is the Motionflow (sony) / or AMP (samsung) mode in your television’s menu system that enables and disable the motion smoothness you are referring to. You turn it on for sports and video games; you turn it off for watching anything else. 120HZ is your friend!

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by Train

Train — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 07:34:04 +0000

I just bought the new Samsung 40′ 630 (with 1080 and 120hz) and FREAKED out when my wife and I got it home and popped in harry potter blu ray… and it looked like daytime tv!!! It was freakish, just as you all described, the makeup looked cheap, the special effects looked fake, and everything looked as though you were on set… FAKE!

Fortunately, the samsung gives you the option to turn off the 120hz interpolating, and that did the trick. On another note, I watched a new release blu ray, and it did just fine with the interpolating, incredible depth and richness, but still hyper-real looking.

For older movies/movies with really heavy makeup and closeups, turn off the interpolating… Cool trick to show the friends though….

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by Shan

Shan — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:04:55 +0000

My boyfriend and I also just bought the Samsung LN46A650, 1080p 120Hz 52″ from Sears and was watching a movie on it for the first time last night and i honestly was sooo distracted i couldn’t even watch Wedding Crashers which is one of my favorite movies. I really thought it was me, but even watching channel 5 HD channel it just looked so fake like i can’t describe it. It kind of worry’s me though but im gonna see if it has the 120hz option so i can turn it off. I f this doesn’t work i don’t know what to do that’s how much it distracts me and we also bought the PS3 so we could play blu-ray not sure if it was the best decision as of some above said blu-ray would phase out in the next years coming. I guess it will look awesome for sports and video games but i dont really even do either. So when it comes down to it it is the 120 hz?? Sounds so from most above. If there is any other suggestions that could be summed up into simple words that’d be great other wise im stuck with this because i already through the box away and everything, and i guess im stuck in the past technology but i just like to be able to watch a movie and for it to look like an actual movie not a play. Thanks!

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by Ryan

Ryan — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:13:09 +0000

What’s making movies look bad on new HD TV’s is not their 1080p resolution, but the 120hz power. Like what a lot of people have said, it turns movies into “soap opera” quality. With the 120hz TV’s, movies lose their cinematic, and almost magic, feel that they are supposed to have. Sure, 120hz TV’s are great for watching sports and other non cinematic features, but they are not cut out for movies. Movies are filmed at a certain frame rate, which is 24 frames per second. This frame rate gives movies the “film” look, the cinematic feel. What 120hz TV’s do is play each frame twice, really fast, or produces an interpolated frame in between two frames, which creates more natural motion. The more frames per second, the cleaner the motion you will get. If you play video games, compare the look of Halo 3 and Call of Duty 4. Halo 3 runs at about 30 frames per second, whereas Call of Duty 4 runs at 60 frames per second, which is why it looks more like real life compared to Halo’s cinematic feel. If you don’t play video games, compare a soap opera to a motion picture on a regular TV. Luckily, TV’s with the 120hz option allow you to turn it off. In my opinion, I don’t think the 120hz option is necessary. Although it might be nice looking for some things, overall I would leave it off.

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by omoplata

omoplata — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:21:07 +0000

LOL at all the naysayers.

When LaserDisc came out and as a teenager, I convinced my dad to buy a player, we were all shocked at how “fake” movies looked. We were all so accustomed to the low resolution VHS versions of movies that this new fangled 480i of LaserDisc just “ruined the movie experience”

Relax. Don’t be a grumpy old man, clinging to yesterday’s technology. Can you imagine if we were still using VHS resolution of 240i just to preserve the “movie look”?

Comment on HD Ruins Movies: 120hz + 1080p = Fake by Travis

Travis — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:40:30 +0000

You are complaining now but just wait until next year when its 240hz or maybe even 480hz. These people have problems because they spend all of this money without doing research and understanding the technology behind it. You think the picture looks too real….. And how is that a problem. If you ask me it turns the picture into a 3d view of the set. The clarity is unreal and if you do not like it then stay in 1999 because its only going to get better.